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ROBERT STEELE: I do not have any direct knowledge but I had lunch with Ray McGovern today, I consider him a gold standard for intelligence with integrity, and his conclusion tracks with the below findings from other contributing editors. Ray’s bringing up KL 007 is helpful. The neoconservatives are out of control, Obama is “owned” and the US intelligence community is going along with all this insanity. I am also mindful of how the US used the Japanese gold captured in the Philippines to create the Black Lily Fund that was in turn used to finance the restoration of fascist leaders in Germany, Italy, and Japan, while also funding genocide in Indonesia and regime change around the world. However this aircraft was brought down, it was not the Russians that brought it down.
And now back to the report itself. OCSE monitor Michael Bociurkiw in an interview shortly after the incident on July 17 stated that there are two or three pieces of fuselage which show indications of heavy machine-gun fire and no evidence of missile damage. The same monitor declared later that certain pieces of the fuselage looked different a few days after he had first seen them. On July 22, he stated to the BBC that certain sections of the fuselage “do look different than when we first saw them”.
What about the eye-witness reports of two Ukrainian Air Force fighter jets trailing the plane at the time of the incident? How to explain the circular holes bend inwards at impact, when such holes are made by bullets from machine-gun fire? Shrapnel from a BUK missile system would have caused tears in the fuselage more of a triangular shape and would not have concentrated on and targeted the cockpit specifically. Furthermore, fuselage sections on another part of the aircraft have outward-bent impact marks, showing that the MH-17 was being fired at from two different directions.
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UPDATE 1: We now know from simulations that the missile was fired from the Zaroschenskoye area, under the control of Ukrainian forces. I (Robert Steele) continue to believe air to air fires were present and I do not believe the present US and Dutch narratives. Below comment from a European observer, followed by new links.
Next battle will be about the exact type of missile and the exact launch location. Russians claim that the type used was no longer in their possession but Ukraine still had them in their arsenal. There is also dispute about the launch location. Experiments and simulations by the Buk producing company indicate that the missile was launched further south which is different from the location in the Dutch report. That more southern location was under Ukrainian control. The identification of the launch location was outside of the mandate of the Dutch safety board. Dutch officials did everything today to give an impressive show so that now the facts are on the table which can not be disputed anymore — or so they wish. MSM hardly mentioned the remaining questions that could completely change the current view. The official narrative is overwhelming and muzzling any other view. [Phi Beta Iota emphasis added.]
UPDATE 2: Robert Steele at RT. Key points – concur with Ray McGovern on complicity of Dutch with US narrative that is not based on evidence. Honest US intelligence and diplomatic officials being repressed by dishonest politicians and neoconservatives who have hijacked US foreign policy. Missile clearly was fired from area under Ukrainian control, but I continue to believe that Ukraine fighter jets also attacked the aircraft with air to air guns and missiles. Lies and contradictions have been a staple of US policy pronouncements my entire lifetime, from Viet-Nam to Grenada and Lebanon to Iraq and Afghanistan, and now Syria and the Ukraine. I believe that the truth at any cost lowers all other costs. Right now neither the US Government nor the European governments appear capable of finding, much less sharing, the truth. This is an orchestrated political attack on Russia — when all is said and done, the blame for MH-17 should be placed on the neoconservatives and the Zionist billionaire — and perhaps George Soros — who successfully brought down the prior government and replaced it with criminal fascists.
UPDATE 3: The New York Times is full of shit.
In the weeks after the shoot-down, I was told by another source briefed by U.S. intelligence analysts that they had concluded that a rogue element of the Ukrainian government – tied to one of the oligarchs – was responsible for the attack, while absolving senior Ukrainian leaders including President Petro Poroshenko and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. But I wasn’t able to determine whether this U.S. analysis was a consensus or a dissident opinion.
Another Dutch Commentary (Extracts):
This investigation is a completely farce. It has been manipulated from begin to end to use it against Putin/Russia. . . .
The official report says the rocket is fired from an area that was partly occupied by Ukraine, partly by rebels. After the official publication of this report Joustra said it was fired from a much smaller area, controlled by rebels. But that’s not in the official report. Very handy to say that afterwards: lots of people believe you and you don’t have to deal with more integer investigators, who could protest. . . .
Tonight on Dutch television Joustra gave an interview. He was repeatedly asked for the American satellite proof, that’s secret till this day. Had he or somebody else seen that? Had the commission gotten copies? He refused to answer that. He himself had seen ‘some things that convinced him’, but he even refused to say if that was the proof Kerry talked about. That was a state secret and he had promised not to say anything about that. Why the hell? If Kerry says he had seen that, why could Joustra not say that? Or deny it? Personally I think he has not seen it, or Kerry lied and there are no satellite photographs, and Joustra is afraid of flat out lying, so he just refuses to answer. . . .
The manufacturer of the Buk rocket said this morning the investigation committee had refused (part of) their evidence. Joustra was asked about that. He gave a very long answer saying the Russians had been present at every meeting etc. etc., asked again, again a bullshit answer, etc. So personally I think the Russian manufacturer is right about the evidence. It’s certain the (offered) evidence is not in the official report. And as the manufacturer has given it, like he says, it’s censored. [Phi Beta Iota emphasis added.]